discordianism and hellenismos

[01:23] <obli> Otter:

[01:23] <obli> can i ask you, what do you think Hellenismos' relationship is with discordianism

[01:23] <ogrom> Otter: got home.. and you?

[01:25] <obli> or vice versa

[01:56] <@Otter> hmmm, haven't thought about that much

[01:57] <@Otter> and i'm too sleepy to think about it now

[01:59] <@Otter> lol.  you could argue that discordianism is to hellenismos as satanism is to christianity or dianic wicca is to trad wicca

[02:01] <@Otter> but i don't think the relationship is that intimate

[02:01] <@Otter> i might change my mind if really studied discornianism, though

[02:07] <@Otter> do you have an opinion, Obli?

[02:18] <obli> not a strong one

[02:18] <obli> i am prepared to be convinced

[02:18] <obli> but i'm thinking

[02:19] <obli> woodcraft chivalry's relationship to hellenismos is probably closer to discordians than modern reconstructionists

[02:19] <obli> what that means

[02:19] <obli> i have not decided

[02:21] <obli> the thing is

[02:22] <obli> i don't think the discordians interpretation of eris is wrong

[02:22] <obli> so the question is

[02:22] <obli> where does not being wrong put you in relationship to ancient spirituality

[02:24] <@Otter> the ancients constantly adapted and reinterpereted their spiritual tradition to fit the needs of the time

[02:25] <@Otter> and we're still doing that today

[02:25] <@Otter> even the religion under glass arch-traditionalists do this, though they're not likely to admit it

[02:26] <obli> yeah

[02:27] <obli> but its still not a clear answer on if discordianism is hellenismos

[02:27] <obli> shrug

[02:28] <@Otter> so any not wrong modern group, and perhaps even most of the wrong ones, has a valid claim to the lineage

[02:28] <@Otter> which i think is exactly how the discordians want it

[02:29] <obli> :)

[02:29] <@Otter> discordianism strikes me as being deliberately enigmatic

[02:30] <obli> yeah

[02:30] <obli> i agree

[02:30] <obli> discordianism is cool :P

[02:31] <@Otter> the serious side of that embraces mystery

[02:33] <@Otter> if you think you know, you're delusional, so just admit you don't have a clue and say the sacred words, WTF, when appropriate

[02:33] <obli> good analysis

[02:36] <@Otter> i think 23 enigma, for instance, is sort of like a discordian koan

[02:38] <@Otter> the point is not whether or everything relates to 23 or our brains are wired to see patterns so we see relationships where there are none

[02:40] <@Otter> the point is to appeciate the limits of one's undertand by  contemplating the enigma

[02:40] <@Otter> or at least that's my take on it

[02:41] <@Otter> could be utter blasphemy to a discordian traditionalist, if there is such a thing

[02:43] <@Otter> stray word 4 lines up.  -or

[02:45] <@Otter> back to sleep

[02:45] <@Otter> take care all