on freedom
[16:25] <SadFolkDancer> I'm sitting outside the BSU meeting, minding my own business. And he says, hi. Let me talk to you. And I reached out. And I touch him. Come here. Why do you do this. He was like, well, I think that this campus is ripe. Why not? Apathy is rampant here. Do whatever you want. When he said that to me I was like, oh, word. I OK. And then he leans over to me, like we're allies. And goes, don't you do whatever you want?
[16:26] <warped6> Is it story time?
[17:07] <warped6> oh google search
[17:07] <warped6> know what that's from
[17:07] <warped6> seen it before
[17:08] <warped6> did not remember that particular part
[17:21] <SadFolkDancer> that was the most interesting part
[17:22] <warped6> I guess. I rewatched the part and I recalled seeing it before
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[17:28] <SadFolkDancer> well it's true. and it speaks to how trapped we are by the structures that imprison us that the only ones capable of shrugging it off are just giving voice to the winding down of the last tired scripts.
[17:29] <warped6> eh?
[17:29] <warped6> You mean the racist guy?
[17:31] <SadFolkDancer> i mean its true that everyones super apathetic and the only people exploiting that to try to change things are fucking nazis
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[17:35] <warped6> oh
[17:35] <warped6> yeah totally
[17:36] <warped6> Someone that is openly racist is of course going to be the opposite of apathetic
[17:36] <warped6> You'd ahve to be to take a stance that EVERYONE WILL HATE YOU FOR
[17:36] <warped6> and rightfully so
[17:37] <SadFolkDancer> say what you like about the tenants of national socialism, at least it's an ethos.... i guess
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[17:38] <SadFolkDancer> or
[17:38] <SadFolkDancer> say what you like about the tenants of national socialism, at least it's an ethos, i guess
[17:38] <SadFolkDancer> punctuation is hard
[17:40] <warped6> There are probably plenty of nazi's and awful racists that are not outspoken. You don't know of them because they are not outspoken...
[17:40] <SadFolkDancer> probably
[17:41] <SadFolkDancer> its not really about them though
[17:42] <warped6> And I'd argue there are plenty of people who are not apathetic but are pushing for positive change. Whether they are effective or successful is usually the issue...
[17:42] <SadFolkDancer> its about the our collective confusion that makes people afraid to push for something new because they are assailed by doubt
[17:42] <warped6> Is there something specific you ahve in mind?
[17:42] <warped6> have*
[17:42] <warped6> Is national Socialism that thing?
[17:42] <SadFolkDancer> no
[17:43] <warped6> so nothing? or something else?
[17:43] <SadFolkDancer> i'm just sad the world is so boring
[17:43] <warped6> It wont be for more than a few more decades. shit is either going to be terrible or fucking awesome.
[17:43] <SadFolkDancer> there should be people pushing for all kinds of new and exciting shit
[17:44] <SadFolkDancer> not like it takes much to overcome the apathetic
[17:44] <warped6> threat to their lives
[17:44] <warped6> that tends to get them moving
[17:44] <warped6> like starvation
[17:44] <warped6> great catastrophies
[17:44] <warped6> disease
[17:45] <warped6> etc
[17:45] <warped6> corporate crypto fascism
[17:45] <warped6> war and the threat of it
[17:45] <SadFolkDancer> i'm not even talking about political utopianism
[17:45] <warped6> oh?
[17:46] <SadFolkDancer> becuase even if everything were perfect politically
[17:46] <SadFolkDancer> idealogical freedom would still be a part of that
[17:47] <SadFolkDancer> so... what do you do once everything is politically optimal
[17:47] <SadFolkDancer> as an individual
[17:47] <SadFolkDancer> i mean
[17:48] <warped6> You mean what do you do politically?
[17:49] <SadFolkDancer> i mean what do you do with your life
[17:49] <warped6> Do something other than politics? Its not like social strife is the only interesting thing in life
[17:50] <warped6> Besides... things being politically optimal... seems like something that not even utopians will nessesarily think we'll ever get.
[17:50] <warped6> There will always be social problems by the mere nature that we are a collection of individuals
[17:51] <SadFolkDancer> yeah but fighting forever about politics is tiring
[17:51] <warped6> of course it is
[17:51] <warped6> Its why you get grouchy intelectuals
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[17:52] <SadFolkDancer> and when its litteraly forever pointless
[17:52] <SadFolkDancer> what would you do if you were a billionaire warped6
[17:52] <warped6> Its pointless to try and convince everyone. you only have to convince enough people and the right people to inact important change
[17:53] <warped6> uh
[17:53] <warped6> well
[17:53] <warped6> I'd probably not want the other billionares to know I exist
[17:53] <warped6> I'd begin to undermine them all.
[17:53] <warped6> and play them against each other
[17:54] <warped6> so they destroy each other
[17:54] <warped6> and then try and manipulate politics, assuming I ahve not gone mad with power, the world would become a great god damned place.
[17:56] <warped6> If I was not so inclined, I'd probably just funnel a bunch of money directly into certain political parties
[17:56] <warped6> and
[17:56] <warped6> science
[17:56] <warped6> namely longevity and automation
[17:57] <warped6> What would you do with it?
[17:57] <SadFolkDancer> so we're all living forever with robots.... then what do we do
[17:57] <warped6> Have sex with the robots?
[17:57] <warped6> IDK
[17:57] <SadFolkDancer> make art
[17:57] <warped6> what ever the fuck you want to do
[17:57] <warped6> if you need strife to ahve purpose you ahve no purpose to begin with.
[17:58] <SadFolkDancer> what if whatever the fuck you want to do is be a huge nazi
[17:58] <warped6> I mean
[17:58] <warped6> conflict can be interesting
[17:58] <warped6> I'd like to think the number of nazi's would be minimal is such a society
[17:58] <SadFolkDancer> probabloy
[17:58] <warped6> but yeah
[17:59] <warped6> they'd probably still be around
[17:59] <SadFolkDancer> i'm just wondering why we have vocal nazi movements
[17:59] <warped6> A lot of the things driving their racist BS would be gone though
[17:59] <SadFolkDancer> but no vocal distributionists
[18:00] <SadFolkDancer> or other way more creative ideas
[18:00] <warped6> There are sort of
[18:01] <warped6> occupiers. unfortunately they weren't very well organized. they were sort of a momentary mob of angry people
[18:01] <warped6> And really
[18:01] <warped6> I suppose
[18:01] <warped6> they weren't nessesarily distributionists
[18:01] <warped6> most of them would be though
[18:02] <SadFolkDancer> distributionism is a specific ideology that says everyone should get a parcel of land and be a small holder
[18:02] <SadFolkDancer> do the farming
[18:02] <SadFolkDancer> etc
[18:04] <warped6> Ah I was figuring you were talking about distribution in general
[18:05] <SadFolkDancer> it seems like the only ones using their freedom are nazis and liberals
[18:06] <SadFolkDancer> and the liberals are going to win... but all they are fighting for is more freedom
[18:06] <SadFolkDancer> whats the point of freedom if everyone is too wracked by self doubt to do anything creative with it
[18:07] <warped6> There are political things I beleive that if I were to share them in an aggressive and public manner where I live I'd probably get shot.
[18:07] <warped6> possibly by a nazi
[18:08] <warped6> or jsut by some crazy mountain man
[18:08] <warped6> well
[18:08] <warped6> hill man
[18:08] <warped6> hilljack
[18:08] <SadFolkDancer> the politically correct term is hillfolk
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[18:10] <warped6> Well, I wouldn't exactly become beloved by the less dangerous but ultimately more wealthy suburbanite soccer mom types.
[18:10] <warped6> either
[18:10] <warped6> I surrounded by both
[18:11] <warped6> Fuck living here
[18:11] <warped6> ugh
[18:11] <SadFolkDancer> heh
posted by Classical Polytheist @ 23:58
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