notes on the occult machine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjFvuSWRdC0

[19:17] <GameIndustryDesignMan> about that jerpordy theme..

[19:17] <fosforos> oh man.

[19:17] <fosforos> i forgot.

[19:17] <fosforos> i'm sorry.

[19:17] <GameIndustryDesignMan> heh

[19:17] <fosforos> i was caught up in a lot of things.

[19:17] <GameIndustryDesignMan> no worries

[19:17] <fosforos> when does it need to be finished?

[19:18] <GameIndustryDesignMan> like end of next week would be amazing

[19:18] <fosforos> i will write it down on my fridge so i won't forget

[19:18] <GameIndustryDesignMan> you know how that jepardy theme has like a constant tick running through it

[19:18] <fosforos> yeah i do

[19:19] <GameIndustryDesignMan> just time it around that and it should work with what i need it to do

[19:19] <fosforos> like a clock, kind of

[19:19] <GameIndustryDesignMan> yeah

[19:20] <fosforos> only i am guessing you do not want it to sound as happy and jolly as the jeopardy theme itself

[19:20] <GameIndustryDesignMan> yeah

[19:21] <fosforos> alright.

[19:21] <GameIndustryDesignMan> you ever been to a casino?

[19:22] <fosforos> nah

[19:22] <fosforos> not for me

[19:23] <GameIndustryDesignMan> hmm

[19:23] <GameIndustryDesignMan> ever been to japan?

[19:24] <fosforos> nope.

[19:25] <GameIndustryDesignMan> hmm

[19:27] <GameIndustryDesignMan> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RgI5x6fStY something like these but diseased

[19:27]  * bladder_x [Title] Tokyo Train Jingles - YouTube

[19:27] <GameIndustryDesignMan> or spaced out

[19:27] <GameIndustryDesignMan> either is good

[19:27] <fosforos> haha

[19:27] <fosforos> alright

[19:27] <fosforos> do you want it to be as uptempo as these?

[19:28] <fosforos> oh also

[19:28] <fosforos> you want it to loop?

[19:29] <GameIndustryDesignMan> as much as the jepordy theme does

[19:29] <GameIndustryDesignMan> as in

[19:29] <GameIndustryDesignMan> it has a distinct end

[19:29] <GameIndustryDesignMan> but if you start it from the start again right after

[19:29] <GameIndustryDesignMan> it sounds fine

[19:29] <GameIndustryDesignMan> so like

[19:30] <GameIndustryDesignMan> and abrupt start and finish ig uess

[19:30] <fosforos> alright

[19:30] <fosforos> great

[19:30] <fosforos> i have an idea

[19:30] <fosforos> i will get to work on it

[19:31]  * bladder_x New reply in SW-JAM 2013 Welcome Page [Game Design & Demos] by ATARI > http://saltworld.net/p439288

[19:31] <GameIndustryDesignMan> awesome

[19:32] <GameIndustryDesignMan> basicly... my desire is for it to like... ape/mock... a slot/ videogame machines idle state... where its trying to draw you in with flashing colours and mindless jingles

[19:32] <GameIndustryDesignMan> fosforos:

[19:33] <GameIndustryDesignMan> or mind numbing jingles

[19:33] <fosforos> haha

[19:33] <GameIndustryDesignMan> to induce compliance

[19:33] <fosforos> alright

[19:33] <fosforos> i've have an idea for a kind of hypnotising riff for one of my own songs for a while.

[19:33] <GameIndustryDesignMan> awesome

[19:33] <fosforos> but i suppose i could just as well use it on this.

[19:34] <fosforos> it would work.

[19:34] <GameIndustryDesignMan> thats exactly what i want :D

[19:34] <fosforos> great!

why i stopped being an athiest

<GDawg> but we still cling to our views and arguments as they are basically synonymous with ego
<Universal> my most recent one was a very interesting topic,
<Universal> it was about the transmission of the Bible and The Quran
<Universal> and which one, was the most reliable one,
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<GDawg> well you have to realise that the quran is about 500 years older than writings of teh BIble
<obli> i think the "new athiest" movement kind of chipped away at my atheism a bit... because i saw dawkins and pullman speaking more and more like religionists... just talking irrational bullshit about the marvels of the universe and that... and the ammount of hero worship and appeals to authority amongst the "new atheists". atheism doesn't need appeals to authority.. it rests on reason
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<GDawg> therefore contains information unknown to it
<GDawg> plus atheism has the same fundementalist ignorance that allr eligion has
<Universal> GDawg, sure, i totally understand that,
<obli> not to overstate the impact of the "new atheism" in how things turned out... most of it was entirely independant of that
<zane> hello crazies.
<zane> :P
<obli> but it played a small role
<Universal> but the thing is that Judaism, Christianity and Islam share a lot of similarities
<GDawg> also Christianity used the original writings give or take of the ISrealites
<Universal> and all of those 3 have their own criteria for heaven and hell for example,
<Argo> imo it is unscientific to dismiss something you have no experience of
<GDawg> where as Islamic scholars after Muhammed and even Aisha died
<GDawg> created an entirely new narrative
<GDawg> that was written by fresh eyes at least 1000 years after the fact
<obli> yeah i think that was the thin edge of the wedge Argo... i could accept the idea there was such a thing as a "religious experiance"
<GDawg> the oldest OT books we have are those of Elijah
<obli> and it all sort of flowed from there
<GDawg> Genesis etc came later
<Universal> GDawg, its interesting to see
<Universal> how Jews accept the OT, but not the OT
<GDawg> but Islam we wrote it all
<GDawg> jesus died before the NT
<Universal> christians accept both, but practise the NT
<GDawg> so his acceptance is non existant
<obli> but its a long way from a religious experiance and proving the god of the bible :P

gods exist

<obli> gods exist just bob
<obli> there are forces more powerful than the individual
<obli> that people give themselves over to
<obli> and this is proper
<TardisMan> It is necessary.
<obli> the christian god is just super artifical... thats why christianity needs to offer threats and rewards

art movements

<AspieRobot> obli. I think that... most writers are not even mindful of which "movement" they are part of
<obli> bbiab
<obli> most novelists maybe
<AspieRobot> bye obli
<obli> novelists are all about the cash
<sokie> i smoked 5 cigarettes after i bout my first e-cigs, and geave the reast away
<_Just_Bob_> Sokie.. really?
<_Just_Bob_> Wow..
<sokie> yeah
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<_Just_Bob_> one question.
<AspieRobot> obli... by that I don't mean that they are not intellectually serious
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<_Just_Bob_> Do you still end up with a 'smokers' cough?
<obli> i disagree
<obli> they are compromised
<sokie> nah, that took 5 days for me and all those things were gone
<obli> a movement is ideological
<AspieRobot> I mean that I think these movements were invented to give academics something to talk about, instead of conferring anything meaningful about the artwork.
<Guest_537> u get like 95% less smoke
<obli> a political action by a group of creatives<sokie> you see you dont inhale any burnt stuff anymore. that is no tar, no ashes, none of that sort
<obli> bbiab :P
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<AspieRobot> obli. I think
<_Just_Bob_> Well back in the 60's .. Having enough Nukes to destroy the world over.. a thousand times.. was a bit more than Idealism.. more like Survival.
<AspieRobot> they are lies
<sokie> there is no 'smoke' at all, its vapor
<_Just_Bob_> Yeah..
<Guest_537> there is a bit
<_Just_Bob_> I read about that sokie
<Guest_537> carcinogens then
<obli> i think they are truths.. that the system cannpot produce
<_Just_Bob_> someone gave the link.. for the UK site..
<sokie> no carcinogenes
<obli> theys why they require creative genius
<obli> AspieRobot
<obli> if what was judged to be good art in premodernism was based upon traditional values
<obli> what was judged good under modernism was based on authenticity
<obli> so maybe a movement is when two or more artists authenticity is in agreement :P

<AspieRobot> obli... is
<AspieRobot> im looking it up on wikipedia.  Is it satirical?
<AspieRobot> Italian anti totalitarian satire?
<obli> judging by subsiquint events
<obli> no
<obli> but its powerful and beautifully written
<obli> "Let us leave good sense behind like a hideous husk and let us hurl ourselves, like fruit spiced with pride, into the immense mouth and breast of the world! Let us feed the unknown, not from despair, but simply to enrich the unfathomable reservoirs of the Absurd!"
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<obli> and they had massive influence
<obli> in the real world
<obli> and on the art world
<obli> thats a movement
<AspieRobot> obli... this looks interesting.  So it is
<AspieRobot> attempting to mould the world through
<AspieRobot> the arts
<AspieRobot> as they always have
<AspieRobot> so what's new
<AspieRobot> propaganda in the arts
<obli> hi pet
<obli> all art is propaganda
<pet> and all propaganda is art
<obli> nah
<obli> well
<AspieRobot> obli. yes because it's about influencing.
<AspieRobot> but
<obli> all propaganda isn't good art
<AspieRobot> I meant political
<obli> all propaganda is political
<AspieRobot> obli that guy looks liek a complete asshole
<AspieRobot> marineti
<obli> their art was beautiful
<AspieRobot> obli.  how long is that manifesto?
<AspieRobot> obli... did it glorify violence though?
<obli> http://www.quailhollow365.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/the-farewells.jpg
<obli> not very long
<obli> yes
<obli> speed and movment and violence
<obli> https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhyvON5lx04sqyWvStwAC2xUZWPvT1v87ZGHXRJfNIEqzWcSsgV7EZkOGci_DCCs2symlgNVOkK5W82wECvw55tCZxgxd8_G46V4OXyaxQBkN_0qUlnvPYFYMXeaP-ABdnyOZmG53cSNQ6i/s640/Boccioni+Umberto,+(1882+-+1916)+Italian+Futurism+states-of-mind-iii-those-who-stay-1911-1+5+stars+%5Bphistars.com%5D+hd+wallpaper.jpg
<_Just_Bob_> Plays were used to deliver a 'message'  polically speaking.
<obli> thats why i said movements are useful for creatives AspieRobot
<obli> not neccicarrily for the audiance
<AspieRobot> Just bob what do you mean were?
<AspieRobot> Just bob there's not much point in putting on a play if you're not trying to teach anything
<obli> for the sake of art AspieRobot
<AspieRobot> obli I liked that picture.
<obli> its still propaganda though
<AspieRobot> a lot
<obli> propaganda for artistic freedom
<obli> free thought
<obli> free speech
<AspieRobot> yes, all influence is propaganda.
<AspieRobot> by a certain definition
<obli> we just live in a fucking ugly era
<AspieRobot> I can't think of an author that hasn't had a moral perspective. Isn't that a kind of way of influencing bahavior also?
<AspieRobot> obli this is off topic
<AspieRobot> but it's something I find very interesting.
<obli> all art is propaganda.. that includes writing
<AspieRobot> well maybe, but
<AspieRobot> I can imagine a piece of writing that is totally indifferent to any virtues or
<AspieRobot> of any kind
<AspieRobot> and has no subtext
<obli> even abstract expressionism is propaganda
<obli> even black metal
<obli> even classical music
<AspieRobot> Propaganda is a form of communication aimed towards influencing the attitude of the community toward some cause or position by presenting only one side of an argument.
<AspieRobot> wikipedia
<AspieRobot> Obli... but what if someone is just painting a bowl of fruit because they're bored.
<AspieRobot> or what if someone
<obli> http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/propaganda
<AspieRobot> is being legitimately even handed
<obli> they are making a statement abotu the worth of stilllifes
<obli> no artwork can communicate the whole universe
<AspieRobot> ok so i don't know what you mean by saying all art is propaganda
<obli> any art that attempted it would just be communicating the idea of a unified universe
<AspieRobot> I think
<AspieRobot> that you are shoehorning
<AspieRobot> reality to meet an arbitrary definition
<obli> i think its easy to produce pro establishment twaddle with the defence that it means nothing
<obli> and alot of people do
<AspieRobot> yes, I mean that's what most mainstream art seems to be these days hehe.
<obli> and thats why the visual arts are in such a terrible place
<AspieRobot> delete that laugh. don't know why I put it there
<obli> you need to be mindful of what you are communicating
<obli> the futurists knew what they were communicating

A hidden power of masks

what is it about masks?

masks transform you into the doll, the puppet

a vessel empty of impulse

which can then be manipulated entirely by the will

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=xoKwbbnlxi0#t=383