perfect truth and suffering

<oblivion> heathen_
<oblivion> what is more powerful
<heathen_> oblivion
<oblivion> love or fire
* heathen_ sniffs a word trap
<oblivion> man
<oblivion> why is everyone i talk to so damn paranoid
<oblivion> whats the worst i can do to you
<heathen_> the worst you can do is to take up my time with word gymnastics that either way one goes youre going to twist what is said into an argument
<heathen_>  not terrible but still a  waste of my time
<heathen_> is it paranoid to see a trap and step around it, i think not
<heathen_> make a statement oblivion if you want to engage a discussion
<oblivion> its called a conversation heathen_
<oblivion> heres my problem
<heathen_> can i get in on that?
<oblivion> you are an evasive bastard who won't reveal a single detail about themselves
<heathen_> heh j/k
-Autobot- Your behaviour is inappropriate. Please change your way of chatting.
<oblivion> so why would anyone make statements at you
<heathen_> im not disappointed if you dont like me
<heathen_> like me or not , it doesnt bother me either way
<oblivion> i assumed it didn't matter to you
<oblivion> otherwise you would make an effort to be likeable
<mrpanda> :)
<heathen_> but if you have nothing to say, why invent these word traps just to start an argument?
<oblivion> i'm interested in what people think
<heathen_> thats going to a hard way to go in chat, cause all youre going to get is what people think
<heathen_> you are interested, i misread
<oblivion> what people think is interesting
<heathen_> but you dont engage to find out what people think, you engage to argue
<heathen_> either way i go, fire or love, you are going to take the other position to argue
<oblivion> i'm going to ask why you chose one over the other
<oblivion> if thats your threshold for an arguement then your whole life must be arguements

<heathen_> its an erroneous choice
<heathen_> the choices you pose have no relationship
<oblivion> they are both perfect truths
<heathen_> perfection is you own idea of things
<heathen_> your
<oblivion> that means nothing to me
<heathen_> perfection is your word , it must mean something to you
<oblivion> i ment <heathen_> perfection is you own idea of things
<oblivion> thats whole sentance
<oblivion> that
<heathen_> perfection is something you have imagined, not me
<oblivion> you don't need to imagine it
<heathen_> and perfect truth, thats a full blown fantasy
<oblivion> it is beyond imagination
<oblivion> there are many perfect truths
<heathen_> to your way of thinking i guess
<oblivion> the perfect truth of fire
<oblivion> it is as fire as it can be
<oblivion> you can get no more fire than fire
<heathen_> fire needs you to call it perfect truth? no , that is you wanting to find perfect truth
<oblivion> fires wishes do not concern me
<oblivion> only the truth that it is perfect
<heathen_> perfect truth means you are relying on finding something to make you feel safe or fulfilled. but there is no safety, fulfillment is fantasy
<oblivion> you can tell the truth because it is satisfying
<heathen_> the only truth i have found is the truth of what is in a person heart at any one moment. while i might wonder what is the truth of what is in your heart, all that really matters is that i approach to understand the truth of what is in my heart
<mrpanda> :)
<oblivion> sounds very self focused
<heathen_> no less so that notions of perfect truth
<heathen_> than*
<oblivion> perfect truths
<heathen_> you might dispel the notions of perfect truth, to get to the truth of what is in your own heart

<oblivion> that assumes it's about me
<heathen_> like, why is that agruing has taken the place of relationship in your life?
<oblivion> thats out of nowhere
<oblivion> swinging in on a wild tangent
<oblivion> about some concerns of yours
<oblivion> that sounds dreadfully boring
<oblivion> that sound dreadfully boring
<heathen_> *S*
<heathen_> understand yourself, what is in your own heart, and the rest of the people in the world is a snap
<oblivion> i agree
<oblivion> though i dislike the way you put it
<heathen_> how would you put it?
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<oblivion> some way that doesn't imply peoples humanity is a problem

<heathen_> ignorance is a problem
<heathen_> misunderstanding is a problem
<oblivion> its not solved with sneering and distate
<heathen_> confusion and misery that we make for ourself and the world is a problem
<mrpanda> umm
<oblivion> buddhists and their love of misery
<mrpanda> hehe
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<mrpanda> misery loves company
<oblivion> everything revolves around suffering for you lot
<heathen_> do you see sneering because you look thru an expression of sneering? because there is no sneering in my statement
<oblivion> life isn't about suffering
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<oblivion> you can end your suffering whenever your choose
<oblivion> life is about enjoying the earth
<mrpanda> :)
<heathen_> im not buddhist, what i express isnt the continuation of misery but  a suggested door to get out of misery
<heathen_> choice is confusion, and confusion is misery
<oblivion> why is misery such a big part of your life than you have dedicated yourself to escaping it?

* heathen_ sniffs another word trap
<heathen_> there is misery in life, do you deny that?
<oblivion> no
<oblivion> its just not amazingly interesting