Art and morality again

[01:11] <moeblob> VGW:
[01:11] <VGW> yo
[01:12] <moeblob> top show
[01:13] <moeblob> VGW:
[01:13] <moeblob> may i ask you
[01:14] <VGW> yes!
[01:14] <moeblob> what is your stance upon art and morality... do you care if the person who made an arts work is a "good" person
[01:15] <VGW> i've been thinking about that
[01:15] <VGW> i don't think it matters much, honestly
[01:15] <VGW> if the art in question is good, it should be judged on its own merits
[01:16] <moeblob> what if they became "evil" in order to make good art
[01:16] <VGW> *shrug*
[01:17] <moeblob> heh
[01:17] <VGW> if the art is really good it would be a worthy sacrifice, haha
[01:20] <moeblob> have you heard the idea that you cannot sing a "good"/relevant country song without the ""life" experience"to back it "up"
[01:21] <moeblob> i guess the equivalent in the rap world would be "credibility" when that was a thing
[01:23] <VGW> i'd imagine that singing from the heart would resonate more with people
[01:23] <VGW> i dunno, it's like you'd be able to say all the right things without thinking about them too much when you've got that (probably emotional) life experience to draw from
[01:26] <moeblob> anyway long story short i'm still torn on genuinely fascist musical acts :P
[01:27] <VGW> what
[01:29] <moeblob> bands that are fascists
[01:30] <VGW> was their music good??
[01:30] <VGW> did they sing about fucking over minorities or something?
[01:31] <moeblob> yeah... especially in comparison to the alternatives in the same genre
[01:31] <moeblob> and no
[01:32] <moeblob> that would make things more cut and dry
[01:32] <VGW> hm
[01:33] <VGW> well, i personally don't see the problem in enjoying it
[01:33] <moeblob> its like lovecraft.... his stories are fuelled  by his horrific racism... but they aren't racist screeds
[01:33] <VGW> huh
[01:34] <VGW> that's some weird shit
[01:34] <moeblob> you don't know about lovecraft?
[01:34] <VGW> i know of it
[01:34] <VGW> but like
[01:34] <VGW> not much!!
[01:34] <moeblob> he was like.... horrifically racist... even by the standards of the time
[01:35] <VGW> geez
[01:36] <moeblob> he was obsessed with degeneracy and shit like that... verging on paranoid
[01:37] <VGW> that's pretty wild
[01:38] <VGW> never even knew about that
[01:38] <VGW> probably better off not knowing that honestly, but eh
[01:39] <moeblob> I thought it didn't matter ;P
[01:39] <VGW> i mean it shouldnt,
[01:40] <VGW> but i can't help but lose some respect for the guy overall
[01:40] <moeblob> he probably wouldn't have been able to write what he did if he wasn't though
[01:40] <VGW> yeah, it's a weird thing
[01:41] <VGW> i'm gonna vouch for trying to seperate the art from the artist as much as you can
[01:41] <moeblob> I mean
[01:41] <moeblob> the thing is
[01:41] <moeblob> even if you think it matters
[01:41] <moeblob> the inverse is never true
[01:41] <moeblob> just becuase someone is a good person
[01:42] <moeblob> doesn't make the art good
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[01:42] <VGW> yeah
[01:44] <moeblob> then there's the artists who were secretly terrible people
[01:44] <moeblob> do you think if you are introducing someone to an artist you have a responsibility to inform them of what a terrible person they were
[01:45] <VGW> now that's a tough question
[01:46] <moeblob> like this guy
[01:46] <moeblob> https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=eric+gil&espv=2&biw=1536&bih=1188&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAWoVChMIyfiXitOexwIVoximCh1ltQBP#tbm=isch&q=eric+gill&imgrc=X3shTIx_vNNPmM%3A
[01:47] <moeblob> don't scroll down too far... its safe for work... but spoils the surpise
[01:48] <moeblob> there's an exhibition of his work on at the university here atm
[01:48] <moeblob> http://www.tate.org.uk/art/images/work/P/P08/P08067_10.jpg
[01:48] <moeblob> http://theredlist.com/media/database/graphisme/History/typography/eric_gill/005_eric_gill_theredlist.jpg
[01:49] <moeblob> decorative arts and font design
[01:49] <VGW> oh cool
[01:49] <VGW> when was that made?
[01:49] <moeblob> 1900-1930s
[01:49] <VGW> whoa
[01:49] <VGW> looks like it was printed from a computer machine. . .
[01:50] <moeblob> thats becuase thats what computer fonts are trying to mimic
[01:50] <moeblob> metal type
[01:50] <VGW> ah
[01:51] <moeblob> but yeah
[01:51] <moeblob> you have to look pretty hard among the displays to find mention of the fact he had sex with his sister his daughters and his dog
[01:52] <VGW> holy shit
[01:52] <VGW> hahahahahahah
[01:52] <VGW> https://foomandoonian.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/eric-gill-facts.png found it
[01:52] <VGW> what the fuck
[01:53] <moeblob> artists man
[01:53] <moeblob> art                                                                                        morality
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[01:55] <VGW> just......wow
[01:57] <moeblob> I'm educational
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[02:10] <moeblob> but yeah VGW
[02:10] <moeblob> the fascists in question https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mSSfNDUBVo
[02:10] <VGW> fuck i don't even know anymore
[02:12] <moeblob> welcome to the world