Art unto Death

<obli2> do you like drugs makoti :)
<makoti> no
<makoti> id like to be sane thx
<makoti> and i can use my money to better stuff
<obli2> the more drugs you take the better you get at art
<mbison> nope
<obli2> its true mbison
<mbison> weird art maybe
<mbison> o.o
<obli2> good art
<mbison> like
<makoti> yknow thats not true
<obli2> like r crumb
<obli2> like
<makoti> unless ur twisted lol
<obli2> mobiua
<obli2> mobius
<mbison> o.o
<obli2> like
<obli2> Aubrey Beardsley
<makoti> so these people do drugs?
<makoti> and how about the 'average artists' must we all start taking drugs now?
<mbison> o.o drugs just mess up ur brains
<makoti> dont even tell those stuff to young people
<makoti> u just gonna mislead them
<mbison> u just need ot practice alot
<obli2> practice is hopeless without vision
<mbison> o_0
<mbison> why do u need drugs for vision
<obli2> why settle for half measures
<mbison> its not half measures
<mbison> o_0
<obli2> why be satisfied taking only two steps towards the edge when you can go right to the lip
<mbison> why can't u be at the tip wihtout drugs
<mbison> u saying ppl can't be creative wihtout drugs ?
<makoti> he prolly just trolling
<obli2> i'm saying you are only a fraction as creative as you could be with them
<makoti> nah i dont think u need to compare urself to anyone to be successful especially when it comes to art
<obli2> its like a sports superstar... no matter how hard you train.. you'll always be better with drugs
<makoti> its different for everyone
<obli2> its not comparing yourself with anyone
<obli2> it's comparing yourself with yourself
<makoti> with drugs and no drugs
<obli2> achiving your full potential
<mbison> o_0
<obli2> i'll admit i'm biased... as in.,.. this only applies to the kind of artists whose work i find interesting
<obli2> not like... photo realists or abstract expressionists
<obli2> though i imagine drugs would probably help them too
<mbison> yes yoru type of art is quite different to what we like o.o
<mbison> and what the majoirty of the population likes
<obli2> symbolists and surrealists and expressionists those who blend the representational with the subjective
<mbison> o_0
<makoti> u make my iron low
<makoti> i feel dizzy now
<mbison> o.o
<obli2> one day i will take drugs :)
<mbison> i thoght u use to take weed
<makoti> maybe ill try it once
<obli2> and lsd and shrooms and nos once
<makoti> but i dont even have access to it so thats good :)
<makoti> and i dont feel i need to
<makoti> i want to have a positive outlook in life even if im surrounded by vampires and leeches
<obli2> why
<mbison> o.o
<mbison> my couisn use to be a drug dealer
<mbison> selling weed
<obli2> prehaps you value life to much
<obli2> art > life
<mbison> o.o
<makoti> theres no such thing as valuing ? life too much, just selfishness, everyone wants to live as how they want, everyones life is valuable
<obli2> you willnever be great at art if you care about your life more than your art
<mbison> o_0 u dont need drugs to do great art
<makoti> well i guess im just mediocre to think that way
<makoti> but ur just over the top
<obli2> its called being passionate
<makoti> even if im like this, it doesnt mean im not
<mbison> o_0
<obli2> morality is useless to artists
<makoti> it's like when we love a person, someone may express that love to someone much greather than the other
<makoti> but the other who couldn't express it much
<makoti> it doesn't mean s/he love the person any less
<mbison> i'm confused we talkign about destroyign our brain with drugs so we can do "good art" o.0?
<makoti> lol
<makoti> i dunno
<makoti> am just blabbing
<obli2> commitment to an ideal isn't subjective though
<obli2> like a reciprical relationship
<mbison> why can't u do good art if u value ur life more
<mbison> if practice alot then your art woudl still be pretty good
<obli2> you can justify your position all day and night... but the fact is 100% commitment will manifest the ideal far moreeffectively than 20% commitment and a bunch of rationalisations
<mbison> o.0
<mbison> but whats it got to do with valueing life, can't u value life and be commited 100%
<obli2> you have to be prepared to die for your art
<obli2> tolive in misery
<mbison> o_0
<mbison> what type of art
<mbison> perfornacne art?
<obli2> all art is a preformance
<mbison> if its jsut rawing then u dont really need to prepare to die
<obli2> you just manifest it on paper
<mbison> o_0
<mbison> u still ain't gonna die for something you are sitting down to do
<obli2> think of the journalist in the warzone
<obli2> they are ready to die to get the story
<mbison> o_0 nope
<mbison> they feel more safe knowing they are in a safezone
<obli2> would you  be a jpournalist in the ukraine?
<mbison> look at iraq
<makoti> in general, normal people dont wanna die for something or someone
<mbison> they had buildings where no one was allowed to bomb like there was some rule
<mbison> o_0
<obli2> yeah normalpeo[ple
<mbison> those journalist would never enter if that area was a safezone
<obli2> thats why  normal people arn't artists
<makoti> there are just few insane ones who think out of the ordinary
<mbison> normal ppl are artist, they aer just not your kind of artist
<mbison> o.o
<obli2> yes
<obli2> they are weak tepid artists who are scared
<mbison> most ppl enjoy drawngs, 3d art
<makoti> it's not weakness
<makoti> it's just living in reality and valuing your life, family, and passion
<makoti> go is like life, if you just focus on one local position, you'll miss the other good things in life, and in a bigger perspective, die
<makoti> but if it's your kind of game, it doesn't mean you didn't live life fully, you just played differently and died
<obli2> to die for your art shows it is real
<obli2> more real than your life
<mbison> o_0 shows u are batshit insane
<mbison> jut to pelase a few and get notice
<obli2> as if buying into perpetuating the capitalist system is sane... theres no garantees there... no one really beleives in it... they do it becuase they are scared
<makoti> blah
<mbison> what are u on about
<mbison> o.o
<makoti> to die for your art shows it is real - thats ur opinion that i think different
<makoti> but*
<makoti> i wont chat further more than this nonsense
<obli2> it's all good... i can understand why you would... i just think its more about serving yourself than serving your art