Sun of Vergina as ritual object

[04:18] <obli> what do you guys think of modern -origional- interpretations of ancient symbols

[04:18] <obli> can they ever be valid

[04:20] <Verde> not sure...but, I think as long as you understand the older meaning and then do your own ,educated spin it's plausible....not sure what Otter's take.

[04:20] <Verde> kinda like the pentagram to me reminds me of my place in the universe.

[04:20] <Verde> Tj has an interesting take on the ankh....he adds the yin yang symbol to it I think.

[04:22] <obli> i've been looking at the meaning attributed to the 16 pointed star, that was a reoccurring element in greek art

[04:22] <obli> star/sun

[04:22] <obli> https://occultassociations.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/sunofvergina16rayed.jpg?w=640

[04:23] <obli> basicly theres a youtube video relating the 16 points to the 4 elements and 12 olympian gods

[04:24] <obli> but it doesn't seem to be based on anything... other than dick waving over who owns the sign between the greeks and macedonians

[04:25] <obli> seems to have been mainly a decorative element... though it appears associated with athena quite regularly on greek vases

[04:25] <obli> and it has obvious ties to the sun

[04:26] <Verde> nod....Greek is right up my alley if you dinno

[04:26] <Verde> hmmmm

[04:26] <Verde> sounds like you've studied

[04:26] <Verde> hmmm....it's a shame that Eugenios has been scarce lately

[04:26] <Verde> I mainly work with Artemis/Pan and Hekate

[04:27] <Verde> I get frustrated with folk that think that Hekate is pretty much solely for hexes....sigh

[04:28] <obli> i'm probably going to start working with it

[04:28] <obli> but i can see immediate issues

[04:29] <obli> the four cardinal directions clockwise from the north are fire,water,earth,air

[04:30] <Verde> you'll figure it out

[04:30] <obli> and they divide it so the top half are heavenly deities and the bottom half chthonic

[04:30] <obli> those on the right gods and those on the left goddess's

[04:31] <Verde> so basically opposite of say Wiccan correspondences and the like

[04:32] <obli> the problem is, with that set up you can't have goddess associated with water.. which seems like an obvious fit for aphrodite....

[04:32] <Verde> now have you studied anything like Abramelin?

[04:32] <@Otter> b

[04:32] <Verde> wb

[04:33] <@Otter> hi Verde, Obli

[04:33] <obli> would you consider Agrippa's three books like it

[04:33] <Verde> you might scroll back if you haven't and you are awake enough

[04:33] <obli> hey otter

[04:34] <Verde> hmmmm I hadn't thought of that....although the reason why I brought up Abramelin is that you basically have to complete it yourself...fill in the blanks

[04:36] <Verde> I'm wanting to get the Pythagorean deck....tarot is dangerous once you get hooked lol

[04:36] <Verde> then again so are books

[04:37] <Verde> just kills me what some of our out of print occult books go for nowadays

[04:38] <obli> i find the prices for recently out of print stuff alot more offensive than for old stuff

[04:38] <Verde> well depends on what you call old....

[04:38] <obli> i got a first edition of ward's ancient secret sign language for $25 us the other day :P

[04:38] <Verde> we have one that is worth 650 US

[04:39] <obli> whats that

[04:39] <Verde> one of Crowley's books I don't remember which one

[04:39] <@Otter> obli, would the drop of this in it's oppsosite concept help?

[04:40] <obli> you mean the division of the circle into gods on one side and goddess on the other?

[04:40] <@Otter> like you see in the yin/yang symbol

[04:40] <@Otter> yes

[04:40] <obli> or changing the elements associated witht eh cardinal directions

[04:40] <@Otter> and wanting to get Aphrodite wet

[04:40] <obli> heh

[04:40] <obli> maybe

[04:41] <obli> i'm sure there's a lot of ways to approach it

[04:41] <Verde> I did not need that visualization Otter

[04:41] <Verde> :P

[04:42] <obli> since it has no historical underpinning i'm basically free to play with it as i will i think... theres nothing to say the person who made the original youtube video had any idea what they were doing

[04:42] <Verde> and here I am trying to get in the mindset on a healing ritual later....my wand is beckoning me

[04:42] <Verde> true that obli

[04:42] <Verde> or it could be what worked for them

[04:42] <obli> but it could be potentially useful with some massaging

[04:43] <@Otter> ah, this is based on  youtube?

[04:43] <Verde> well, there is distance and the like involved so I can't massage this person

[04:43] <obli> at least as a jumping off point for more rigorous study of the individual deities...

[04:44] <obli> yeah otter

[04:44] <obli> the symbol has been at the center of a spat between Greece and Macedonia for the past 30 years

[04:45] <obli> so i assume that was at least some of the impetuous behind whoever made the video making it.

[04:46] <obli> but the fact it was a common symbol in greek art... and has strong ties to Athena... make it attractive... as well at the whole... 16 aspect

[04:46] <obli> which is also a factor in the trumps of first recorded tarot deck

[04:47] <obli> from the 1400's

[04:47] <obli> which was the 12 Olympic deities and 4 other mythological figures

[04:47] <obli> also its a nice computer number

[04:47] <obli> goes into 2 nicely

[04:48] <obli> which is always good

[04:49] <obli> :P