IT and Gnosticism and the subversion of the internet by web 2.0

[19:55] <obli> do you guys think digital technology has an inherently Gnostic orientation

[19:57] <RavenBlack> I use lower case "m" as it's a mior compulsive thingy

[19:57] <TechieDragon> Or we could have OGA - AS  Olive Garden Anonymous - Alfredo Sauce

[19:57] <TechieDragon> OGA - BS

[19:57] <TechieDragon> how so?

[19:57] <RavenBlack> refresh me, Gnostics are???

[19:57] <RavenBlack> sorry,forget things

[19:57] <@Otter> i like your tie tacks, TD

[19:57] <@Otter> how do you secure the hardware to the stones?

[19:57] <TechieDragon> well if I recall - Gnostics is taken from the latin Gnosis which is to know

[19:57] <RavenBlack> ancient nerds then,right???

[19:57] <@Otter> hmmm

[19:58] <@Otter> what do you mean by "digital technology" Obli?

[19:58] <TechieDragon> well the first few I used regular superglue.  I tried a different "jewlery" glue, which didn't work so I got some 2-part epoxy which has been working much better

[19:58] <@Otter> the culture of them who create it?

[19:58] <@Otter> all who use it?

[19:59] <obli> gnostiism is a transcendent religious orientation, they believe the material universe was made by an evil deity and must be overcome

[19:59] <obli> i mean stuff like VR, augmented reality... that kind of stuff

[19:59] <obli> the inernet

[19:59] <obli> internet

[20:00] <TechieDragon> well the Gnostics got in trouble because they claimed you didn't need the preists or the bishops to have a commune with God.

[20:00] <TechieDragon> The Ancient Gnostics almost remind me of extentalists

[20:00] <RavenBlack> Martin Luthers great grand parents

[20:00] <@Otter> the innermost thoughts of my kitche timer?

[20:00] <TechieDragon> I have to go, my neck is spasming so I will be back tomorrow....

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[20:02] <obli> i mean it seems like most speculative writing about the digital sees it as a means to "overcome" reality

[20:02] <@Otter> you're thinking maybe it's inherently gnostic becuase it deals with a non-physical world?

[20:03] <@Otter> i don't know.... Twitter isn't isn't the Mind of God

[20:03] <@Otter> or at last i sure HOPE it isn't!

[20:04] <obli> might be hidden in geocities

[20:04] <RavenBlack> massive geo caches

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[20:06] <obli> kind of feels like web 2.0 was a massive curbing of the potential of the internet

[20:06] <obli> "Social media"

[20:08] <obli> societies overcoming of the web :P

[20:12] <@Otter> isn't geocities gone now?

[20:13] <@Otter> you may have a point about 2.0

[20:13] <RavenBlack> Geo Caches are thriving,website gets updated all the time with new stuff

[20:13] <@Otter> it's actually kindof retro

[20:13] <obli> theres geocities archives

[20:14] <@Otter> like going from a modern music keyboard to a 70s electronic organ

[20:14] <@Otter> people like the old ones because of their limitations

[20:15] <obli> https://neocities.org/

[20:15] <@Otter> with the more recent tech, you can get lost in the features, and since you never really come to the end of what sounds it can make

[20:15] <@Otter> it's arguably impossible to achieve virtuosity as a musician with that instrument

[20:17] <obli> yeah

[20:21] <obli> i think its

[20:21] <obli> more

[20:21] <obli> that every web 2.0 application is more limited than irc

[20:21] <obli> facebook

[20:21] <obli> twitter

[20:21] <obli> tumblr

[20:23] <obli> it's all shallow and broad

[20:23] <obli> or curatorial and inert

[20:23] <obli> i think the main limitation

[20:23] <obli> is they channel your responce

[20:24] <obli> if you wanted to respond to something online before web 2.0 you hd to make a website

[20:25] <obli> it nesicated a lot of creative decision making

[20:26] <obli> now you can just blast nonsense out on twitter

[20:28] <obli> :P

[20:51] <MyKowaiJapaneseHighschool> web 2.0 killed creativity on the inbternet
[20:51] <MyKowaiJapaneseHighschool> before blogs if you wanted to comment on something online
[20:51] <MyKowaiJapaneseHighschool> you had to design a website
[20:52] <EDC_> that's how you knew the comment was worth reading
[20:52] <EDC_> they wouldn't go through all that trouble to design a website from scratch unless they had a DAMN good reason!
[20:53] <MyKowaiJapaneseHighschool> yep
[20:53] <MyKowaiJapaneseHighschool> or they were really frothing insane
[20:54] <MyKowaiJapaneseHighschool> which was also good
[20:54] <EDC_> the point was it was one or the other, black or white, no grey areas
[20:54] <EDC_> if you couldn't tell the difference, you DESERVED to be misinformed